NIce one, there are at least 6 other sites in that group with the same offer and you can't really grumble with a free £10 shot if you are going to be playing with a small starting balance anyway!

The only one I managed to get through the 99x was at 21.co.uk but not with the same success as you... I limped over the finish line with about £8 😅

Will need a new mouse / trackpad after every 1,000+ clicks needed just to get 1 bonus on Bonanza.

Personally think it's crazy - I can keep track of spend far easier in blocks of 25/50/100 autospins than when I'm sat mindlessly clicking through spins.  Also far easier to think '1 more spin' over and over again versus easier to walk away thinking 'I can't be fucked sitting through another 100 spins on this shite'

Thing is though, traffic will be reduced because loads of people will just not be arsed to sit their playing as much now even if they never had a gambling problem - which in turn people will point to as a success of their change even though the impact on actual problem gamblers is likely to be negligible.

Everyone loves a quality branded hoodie.  Count me in :)

pokersmasher - 04/11/2021 at 22:24

If this is not the case why on earth would more restrictions not be placed on table games.

Because like the thread title says, they're clueless? 😅

It's sort of the reverse of the decision they made for bookies, where £50-£100 spins on roulette were supposedly the big danger and had to be removed from the FOBTs.  Sure, that also meant no more big bets on slots, but had no impact on the £2 spin limit, autoplay, speed of games etc.

Part of their own research also noted that people that don't autoplay tend to play (on average) at higher stakes, so whilst you can't directly link the two, it would be a fair hypothesis that removal of autoplay will mean people increase their spin size (which to me feels like it would be more likely to lead to financial problems).  Also seems fair to note that it seemed to be mostly led by a survey of only 33 self-diagnosed problem gamblers, which doesn't seem like a significant sample size (to me).

That said, clearly some slot players are also a bit clueless:

A small number (around 7%) of respondents indicated that they felt using auto-play improved their chances of winning, despite it having no such impact.

If only it was that easy to get some wins! (and before anyone points it out, I know there are a small number of arcade slots which offer increased RTP if you autoplay, which would technically make these 7% correct if that was the sort of game they were thinking of when answering the surveys)

Ping pong bats seem such a random item to splash a promo budget on... but I need a new set, so count me in to try and win them 😂

For all the UKGC bashing, I think the addition of a live P&L tracker on slots is a decent addition.

That said, it may just be me, but the Pragmatic slots seem incapable of reporting correctly?

Playing Fruit Party 2 and it took a while to see, but my balance was lower than I started, but the P&L said I was in profit.  Seems to be ignoring the cost of a spin when you have a small win (ie I spin £1, 'win' 10p and my P&L increases by 10p rather than reduce by 90p).

But then it isn't a consistent fault, because playing Big Bass Megaways my balance was only down a couple of quid but the P&L showed me down like 5 times as much.  I think it was only counting the last tumble win so under counted if you had a cascade of wins?

Anyway, now makes me wonder how well the rest of Pragmatic maths models work if they can't even manage a simple task like this... are we all really playing to the stated RTP?  Are our balances properly updating as we play?

Certainly, there is something wrong in the maths section that means Beardy Barry comes out even less frequently on megaways reels than his OG version! 😅

With the amount he wins on slots, I can't believe Roshtein even wastes his time with the hassle of streaming.  I'd just be on my own private caribbean island with a butler bringing me drinks and a couple of aspiring models fanning me with palm leaves to keep me cool whilst I chill out on the beachfront every day.

Back in the real world though, this does look like another fun NLC slot though - and good luck to whichever low stake slotter hits the jackpot and hauls in a life changing £60k win!

Saw this earlier but hadn't touched, TY for posting the demo link.

I love how in Demo play it drops a bonus within 11 spins on a higher stake than I'd usually play, with such crazy frequency...

Even more so than their other cluster games, I applaud the ideas to try something different to other slots, but I find it so hard to spot wins / pre-empt tumbles that it just ends up too overcomplicated and not as fun as many other games.

The joy with their megaways concept was that when you hit a win you could immediately see what you needed to drop next (K on 3, J or 10 on 2 etc) so it built the tension up a bit in the bonus... the cluster games are so busy it just seems impossible to quickly see where you have 4-of-a-kind and need things to drop.

Also seemed a bit tight that it gave me a win on 28x multi and only paid 7x lol... no doubt will see some monster 1,000x + hits on this in youtube videos imminently!

Love this concept, with the proliferation of streamers on YouTube these days it's stuff like this IMO that will keep GD going strong 💪

Round 1: Troll Hunters 2 (3x multi when she lands please)

Round 2: Wild Chapo

Round 3: Eye of Horus Megaways

Round 4: Space Miners

GL finding some 'what a win!' bonuses during the comp 😁

Love this concept, with the proliferation of streamers on YouTube these days it's stuff like this IMO that will keep GD going strong 💪

Round 1: Troll Hunters 2 (3x multi when she lands please)

Round 2: Wild Chapo

Round 3: Eye of Horus Megaways

Round 4: Space Miners

GL finding some 'what a win!' bonuses during the comp 😁

The new Snakes & Ladders I still haven't landed naturally - have filled the snake for what must be nearly 20 bonuses but 3 scatters seems impossible.  And as per a post above, I'm sure Relax have updated all their games lately to make the bonus far more rare.  The new ones can be brutal, but even old classics like Temple Tumble that used to be quite reliable for a bonus inside 200 spins can go for well over an hour and what must be 1,000+ spins to land.

I have to say that in the absence of bonus buys it is somewhat boring that providers seem to be building games where the average spins to bonus is getting higher and higher.  Even more so when the level of variance means that half or more of the bonus rounds are 20x or less, or realistically require at least 1 gamble to reach a level of spins to at least give yourself a chance at the big bucks.

I know we're only a small island and the rest of the world happily have turbo/auto spin and bonus buys to circumvent this, but really hope providers can find a more playable way of building games for us in future.

I'm sure there would be plenty of GD viewers if you put together a longer clip and shared on the forum :)

TBF I have wondered how any of the regular streamers (including those on GD) would cope if the income stream ever got turned off.

It's easy to not be a gambling addict when you can get the buzz funded through legit affiliate income (ie those here) or through some dodgy casino paying you directly/refunding losses (the $1,000 a spin crew), but however strong you are mentally it must be incredibly tough to completely bin off high stakes gambling if/when they are forced back to playing off 'traditionally' earned income.

Also, TY to the team here for not yet giving in to the never ending use of close-up shocked faces for the video thumbnails... Maybe I'm just old but I always think they make the person look a total bell-end 😅

I get what you're saying  pokersmasher  but I feel the visibility of the RTP is something which helps vulnerable players from harm.

You always hear moans about 'games playing so much worse lately' or that 'they don't bonus as often as they used to' etc, which I get is part gamblers fallacy from running good when they first played it, but will also be influenced by the fact that they had always been playing a 96% version of a slot and are now (unknowingly) playing a 91% version on the same site.  I get that is calculated over billions of spins, but in essence it means they are now losing an extra £5 for every £100 they wager, which will rinse them quicker and potentially lead to them tilting / chasing.

The spin count is a bit more spurious. I know we're probably in the minority of planning for 100 spins (say) and leaving a game if it doesn't bonus, rather than a majority that likely deposit £20 and leave at £0 if they've not landed a bonus.

SecularSlots - 21/03/2022 at 15:56

I once did a thumbnail like that for a joke and i could not upload it, It made me feel sick even doing it as banter.. its beyond pathetic to have your face on a thumbnail like that.

In terms of your comment on  it must be incredibly tough to completely bin off high stakes gambling if/when they are forced back to playing off 'traditionally' earned income

I understand your point, but I think that those who are gambling to win big and have fun, approach it all differently from those who are creating content solely to get views/sign ups. They are not gamblers, they are salesmen for casinos. You can tell by the games they play that you never really win big but that keep your balance close to what it was, sop they get longer content - fishing frenzy/Eye of horurs/Montezuma and all that garbage.

So for me, whether I am using my own salary of affiliation money etc, there is no change in approach for me at all. And no matter where the money comes from, I will always stay in control and not be reckless depending on where the money has came from

Thanks for the response.  I suppose I'm thinking more of the Chip's of this world where they've escalated to silly money being thrown about, where it must be hard to ween themselves off that buzz of high stakes hits when they clearly came into it as gamblers (low stakes on their own funds) and are potentially now masking a problem thanks to the hard earned affiliate money.

You'd hope that the fellas keeping it real on low stakes are at a level that it'll be affordable even if streaming was banned and they were playing off a standard 9-5 income... which is why I don't sit watching the crazy money stuff and stick to the sort of content put out by the 4 of you on here!  Even with Craig and Jimbo, the more irregular nature of the videos suggests they are well aware of their business model and the fact they can take bonuses to minimise the eV hit in a way non-streaming bonus exploiters would do 👌