Had a long think about this one but want to raise it. The giveaways on this site total £6000 a month or £72000 p.a. That's the net figure. A simple calculation will show that, in order to give away £72000 p.a. the combined income of Jimbo and Craig needs to be £120000p.a. That's the gross figure. That's £120000 just to afford the giveaways. I am assuming that they both actually live somewhere and pay bills just like the rest of us. Let's imagine, therefore, that they can pay their bills and pay these prizes out. That would mean an income not far shy of £200000 p.a. between them. Um...don't mean to be rude but neither, it seems to me, have jobs which would pay this much.
So...how can they afford the giveaways? Could it be that they are paying them out of their winnings? Well, no, of course not. They are in the red are they not? A few big wins here and there can't disguise the fact that, mostly, as they always say, the casino always wins. So...back to my question - how can they afford the giveaways? Well unless they both have access to private wealth (and I don't think that's likely), the only possible answer must be that affiliate fees cover the giveaways. Now - I have no problem with that, of course and, as Jimbo reminds us fairly reguarly, they don't have to run the giveaways. Except...it also doesn't make sense for them to be affiliates if all that happened to the money was that they gave it away. So, it would seem that their affiliate income is substantial. Enough to cover the cost of the giveaways (already established that the money can't come from anywhere else) and enough to make it worth their while to bother with giveaways at all.
That isn't quite the impression you get from the blurb at the start of videos, though. The impression is that the giveaways are given with no thought of self gain on Jimbo or Craig's part. It's not true, guys, is it? You need your followers to play so that you can get paid. You are not actually putting your hand into your pockets to pay the prize money. It comes directly from your followers' play online. I think it's time you were more honest. I get you can't say precisely what the terms of your affiliations are but you can go along way to explaining how the giveaways work. Currently, you give the impression that online casino gaming is a benign activity and that you are not influencing people to become involved in what is ,essentially, an activity which will lose them money. Currently, the Gambling Commission is looking at TV adverts which give the impression that betting and gambling are all about winning. Why don't you guys show the mainstream media how to do this properly? Gambling means casinos win 99% of the time (something admitted by the CEO of Coral/Ladbrokes in answering a questions from a House of Commons Select Committee). Your giveaways rely on people losing money so say that. You can put it that, when people play, it's like buying a ticket into a raffle. Be honest about the extent of your affiliation earnings OR explain how it is possible for you both to give this much money away each month. I think the latter depends on the former - can you prove me wrong?
I wish you had structured the questions but i'll try to answer the ones that stand out to me.
Affiliation pays the giveaways. Some casinos pay us money every month to have them on the homepage of this website.
We only chose ones we vet and know will support any signups to our standards.
We also make 'profit' through CPA (cost per acquisition) which means we do not rely on players losses at all, we get paid a one time fee for their sign up and whether they win or lose makes no odds to us.
We do have some revenue share deals in place usually where we receive say 20% of a players losses, but we probably see around 5% of that after the casino deducts fees and taxes.
Not to mention we then pay corporation tax on our 5%.
Not once have me or james claimed we use our own money to pay the giveaways, no idea where you got this. Show some proof?
We are extremely open about it all.
So that answers your questions at to how the giveaways are paid, it's pretty straight forward
Who cares at the end of the day. Anyone who starts streaming and affiliation does so as a business means....to make some format of money. Some do it full time, some not.
You can't stream and deposit the amount these guys do unless you have a very well paid job, you're extremely wealthy or you have a source of income to assist with doing so.
II have signed up to casinos via here because I like the giveaway aspect. I've even won once. Why not when I'm going to play online anyway. How the giveaway is funded is irrelevant as long as its honest. Used to do the same on Chip's site but he never showed draws and it seemed dishonest. Used to do the same with The Bandit until he stopped doing them.
Now, do I think all streamers are honest, no. Do I think some of them are degenerates who do what they can to feed they're habit, yes. I decide which is which for me. Jimbo and Craig seem honest which is why I put my time into the forums here, watch their videos and some live streams.
I like gambling. I've learned the hard way to control it because at the end of the day it can and does ruin lives. Tired of this narrative that streamers are bad because they encourage it or affiliation is money from someones habit. If its getting too much or an issue it's on the person who is gambling to sort that out. No-one forces anyone to gamble.
I don't see why you've put the time and effort you have with this post. Anyway, seems Craig has answered you well. If you watch their videos, you'd know they both have day jobs.
I think the best way to look at this is as follows....
Imagine exactly the same scenario, but then there are no giveaways or even just less giveaways?
Knowing what you know now... does that make giveaways seem better?
The fact that they run them with clear prizes, if anything is being more transparent..
Saying that they don't pay them out of thier own pocket, is like saying that you dont pay tax out of your own pocket, because your tax has already been deducted by your employer before you get your takehome pay, and this exact example ALSO applies here.
And thats not to mention, that the videos produced ARE ALSO paid for out of thier own money. After any and all taxes have been paid.
The more that is paid out in giveaways... well you can finish the sentence.
Add in the entertainment that is provided for free to all in the form of videos ( a heckuva lot of them recently too), and the clear commitment to responsible gaming promoted where possible.
And finally, the information presented by both craig and yourself is easy to deduce from a couple of simple google searches, and even just--- a calculator in this case.
If you have any questions surrounding this or concerns for that matter, you are welcome to send a message at any time or ask a genuine question on the forum,
but instead, you decided to post something inferring that not only do the owners lack any kind of social responsibility, but subsequently have the cheek to call them out for actually giving away a massive chunk of money Every. Single. Month.
'Hey did you know that - this person works as a store manager at Hollister, and they make £45,000 a year teaching frontline staff how to read in the dark, it would be more but they can't even afford light bulbs for the people and staff that decide to shop there and spend thier own money on whatever they damn well choose' <-- (in this case a pair of boxers for £64.99).
And hollister don't giveaway shit.
Frequently the boys explain 'this is how it goes sometimes' when they lose, and show the slight frustration and annoyance that anyone would, and use it as an opportunity to educate and interact with the community.
As always if you cannot control your gambling please follow the support steps from the corresponding section on our website, in particular GAMSTOP.
Additionally you are always free to enjoy all the video content on the site, regardless of any anti gambling measures in place for you.
Please stay safe all.
Weemonk23 - 13/07/2020 at 14:14
Who cares at the end of the day. Anyone who starts streaming and affiliation does so as a business means....to make some format of money. Some do it full time, some not.
You can't stream and deposit the amount these guys do unless you have a very well paid job, you're extremely wealthy or you have a source of income to assist with doing so.
II have signed up to casinos via here because I like the giveaway aspect. I've even won once. Why not when I'm going to play online anyway. How the giveaway is funded is irrelevant as long as its honest. Used to do the same on Chip's site but he never showed draws and it seemed dishonest. Used to do the same with The Bandit until he stopped doing them.
Now, do I think all streamers are honest, no. Do I think some of them are degenerates who do what they can to feed they're habit, yes. I decide which is which for me. Jimbo and Craig seem honest which is why I put my time into the forums here, watch their videos and some live streams.
I like gambling. I've learned the hard way to control it because at the end of the day it can and does ruin lives. Tired of this narrative that streamers are bad because they encourage it or affiliation is money from someones habit. If its getting too much or an issue it's on the person who is gambling to sort that out. No-one forces anyone to gamble.
I don't see why you've put the time and effort you have with this post. Anyway, seems Craig has answered you well. If you watch their videos, you'd know they both have day jobs.
Thanks - weemonk for covering what I missed!
No worries Pilo.
I really couldn't care less who gets a share of my losses....I think its great to see two lads trying to better them selves and do something others talk about in the pub.... casinos can make millions with target marketing etc. but when a couple of normal guys try make a few quid people have a problem... What do you ever get back from lost deposits at casino... nothing. Least the lads giving back and seem genuine to me. Making some peoples day at end of each month is something they should be congratulated for...
p.s They don't have to do draws.
We are all gamblers. We are going to deposit and play regardless. I would rather someone like Jimbo or Craig take some of my losses than a multi billion pound casino. On top of that they offer great entertainment and even on top of that we have a 2nd, 3rd,4th or even 5th chance to maybe win a nice bit of cash. I won a 50quid Amazon gift card for just commenting on a vid that I was going to do anyway. It’s not hard to work out they make some nice money from affiliation, they have never denied this. It’s also not hard to work out where the giveaways money comes from seeing that Craig has always said he has a normal job and Jimbo is a Masterchef. At least they are nice blokes who are actually gamblers trying their luck at streaming because they will gamble offline anyway, rather than people who have never gambled in their life trying to jump on the bandwagon
I don't see the problem we are grown men/women we ain't stupid of course they make a bit of money for this but it's a job an takes hours doing what they do. If you buy a burger do yo want part of your money back because it cost money ?. Mc Donald's do giveaways when you buy a meal in summer the monopoly that comes from profit of people buying from them . Iv never once heard Jim or Craig say its out there own pocket .and nearly every video they warn you about gamble and always mention gambam etc. Someone just sounds a little bit jealous if you ask me 😉
canterlot - 10/02/2022 at 21:50
Do you know what I learned about giveaways? Is that they rarely give the presents/money to the winners. It is just a form of marketing. And what could the winners do to them?
Well luckily for the lads they've paid me my winnings in the past. Had they not then they would have been ball gagged and I would've brought out the gimp. Actually now Craig knows this he'll probably not pay me if I win again.
Its very strange that this post with these questions was even created in the first place.
You would have to not have watched any of Jimbo or Craigs content to ask these. Its as clear as day how the giveaways work and who would not want these giveaways to happen? Jimbo/Craig could easily keep all affiliation earnings and not do any giveaways, like most UK streamers but at least they give back. Yes of course it brings in more subs/viewers and sign ups, but that's the point, its marketing.
I blame Davey anyway.
SecularSlots - 11/02/2022 at 16:46
Its very strange that this post with these questions was even created in the first place.
You would have to not have watched any of Jimbo or Craigs content to ask these. Its as clear as day how the giveaways work and who would not want these giveaways to happen? Jimbo/Craig could easily keep all affiliation earnings and not do any giveaways, like most UK streamers but at least they give back. Yes of course it brings in more subs/viewers and sign ups, but that's the point, its marketing.
I blame Davey anyway.
You need to make 'I blame Davey anyway' your signature
For anyone to be that bothered about how much Jimbo and Craig make is just really quite sad. I think it might be relatively easy to determine a reasonable range of their income from easily obtained information but who genuinely cares enough to look and moreover why would any reasonable person even bother.
There are those folks who earn sums equivalent to them for far less work and hassle whilst staying far from the public eye.
Too many people in today's society seek to find fault or express jealousy of others' successes without ever focusing on their own lives.
Perhaps the best way to look at this is that Jimbo and Craig share their success with their affiliated players where other streamers like Stop and Step or the dreadful Chipmonkz wax lyrical on their streams giving away a few crappy hoodies or the off Amazon vouchers. Quite a few of the people on this thread have benefited from the Giveaways and it is much appreciated. If they were to earn the sums the OP stated or even more they would deserve it.